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Author:  Shawn J [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:44 pm ]
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I posted this once but it's deleted, I can't find it anywhere.

I put my Colt on the dyno recently and I'm just looking to see if there is any room for improvement. Here are the specs: 1.6L with Wiseco 10:1 pistons, 1.8L head (small combustion chamber with 1g 2.0L size runners), HKS 264/272 cams, 2.0L intake & TB, 2.5" ic pipes, Supra smic, small 16g, 1000cc hi-Z injs, walbro 255, 3" downpipe, no cat and 2.5" full exhaust, Link V3 on speed density with/dual maps for E85 and 92oct. I think that's about it.

I'm wondering if it's common for the little 1.6 to have the peak torque so high of rpm. Then engine has always been laggy even with the small 16g, you can see it doesn't reach full boost until close to 4000. I don't know if all 4g61s are so lacking of torque down low like mine. One other thought is the clutch, it's only a 215mm Exedy OEM replacement so I'm wondering if some of the waviness of the power isn't the clutch slipping. Thanks for any input.

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Author:  biglady112 [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:25 pm ]
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I replied on NABR. I will track down the dyno sheet as soon as I can. I only have one with the HX52. And of course that will be laggy.
Author:  Broke4speed [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:24 pm ]
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Well, considering they're not stock cams, I'm going to say yes, lol.
Author:  CaptainTonus [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:41 pm ]
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Yes, it's common. These engines are not torque monsters. It's an extremely short stroke and a long rod, which is going to be oriented toward more high-RPM power. Even the 2.0's aren't incredibly torquey. My 2.0 doesn't make peak torque until after 5,000rpm, but of course everything in my setup is built around top-end power.
Author:  Shawn J [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:20 pm ]
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I'm more familiar with the 4g63 for sure. I knew the 4g61 wasn't going to be a torque monster but I guess I figured it would have a similar power curve as its 2.0L brother, just lower power for the same mods. I know one thing I switched at the same time as installing the injectors and tuning for E85 was installing the F5M33 tranny. The taller gears definitely suck for driveability on a low torque engine.
Author:  Shawn J [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:56 am ]
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I've read when some guys have gained a little mid range torque using a Cyclone intake manifold controlled by ECM Link. Has anyone here done this? Anyone think it would be worth running that setup in my situation?
Author:  Coltsfan [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:49 am ]
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I think a Cyclone manifold may help you, especially if it has the narrower runners to match the 4G61 head ports.

Did you do anything to address where the large 2.0 runners meet the small runners of the 1.6 head?

EDIT: Nevermind, I scrolled my screen to the side and saw that you have the 1.8 head. Still, the cyclone may help.
Author:  Flying Eagle [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:54 pm ]
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^^^ I wanted to say the same thing.

I suspect 240 ft/lbs (if I read the graph correctly), is pushing a stock clutch, especially 215mm of flywheel contact area and a full face clutch.

I also think the Cyclone can only benefit torque, and considering the 4g61t stroke benefits higher RPM, you need whatever you can to counter that for torque production; ie articial displacement (cfm,boost) and runner design.

If stock 4g63t's see 20-40 ft/lbs of extra torque from the Cyclone, how could it not benefit the 4g61t?

USDM C53A 4g61T AC compressor will fit with the JDM Cyclone rear support bracket, you just have to grind off a small portion where it will contact the AC compressor housing. Everything else should fit properly.

Edited to reflect the fact that I have now got the proper info on Cyclone manifolds and 2.0L engines, swapped into a C53A that has the original AC system..
Author:  biglady112 [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:53 pm ]
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I have tried three times since you posted this up to go and grab a dyno sheet. With the holidays the place I dynoed the 1.6L has been in and out a bunch. I am going to try again monday for you.
Author:  Mechacode [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:48 am ]
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Everything is set up for huge airflow...except your turbo.
Author:  xxNocturnalxx [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:02 am ]
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^Bam!

Everything looks pretty normal to me, turbo will be the game changer here.
Author:  Shawn J [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:58 am ]
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Well, I have to resist the erg to go wild with the car. I have an AWD Talon racecar for that purpose. Its hard to resist but I must keep the Colt as a great daily driver that gets great economy. I was only thinking if maybe I could gain a little more torque for cheap yet not hurt power or fuel mileage, might be worth a shot.

Some of you guys with bigger turbos on a 1.6, do you think I could put on say a 20g or even an FP Green and NOT lose any economy? It would obviously move the power curve up and probably not make boost until 5000 or even higher.

I'm currently getting 40mpg and I just don't want to turn it into another hot rod that gets 30mpg. I drive 100mi a day and WA has some of the highest fuel in the nation. I spend $600/mo on fuel as it is. Keeping the Colt an economy car is a must.

What would you guys do? Go bigger turbo or leave well enough alone? Thanks.
Author:  Flying Eagle [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:49 am ]
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I remember seeing guys posting (pre-Link days) that they were getting 30+ MPG with larger turbos that were staying out of boost at light cruise highway speeds, and that they were able to lean out a bit. If you are getting 40MPG already, I don't know if you could get it any higher than that. You are way ahead of the game.
If less CFM was pushed into the motor, less fuel would be required assuming same engine RPM via larger turbo charger setup.

Kinda cool you have a higher horsepower output per cubic litre than most members here, and get the highest MPG out of all the members that I have seen posting.
Author:  MANNY-4AGW6D3 [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:54 pm ]
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I'm liking those number on pretty much a s16g setup with all supporting mods.. ill be having the same setup on my 89 gt 4g61t, minus cams. So ill be happy breaking 200hp :D good job there bud!
Author:  xxNocturnalxx [ Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:01 am ]
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Plan on taking this thing to the track this year? PR?
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