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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:54 am 
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Ok!
I don't wan't to drill out the taper, I will took the Expo knuckles.
:werd: I wouldn't drill the taper either, and I won't bother to voice my opinion on that technique.

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I think in Germany, there are now camber plates to buy for the csm, in any case no authorized to drive in Germany.
So I also could buy it in USA.

Perhaps you have a good suggestion for me, which camber plates you would buy.
K-Sport?
Yoshifab makes them.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:11 pm 
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Ok!
I don't wan't to drill out the taper, I will took the Expo knuckles.

I think in Germany, there are now camber plates to buy for the csm, in any case no authorized to drive in Germany.
So I also could buy it in USA.

Perhaps you have a good suggestion for me, which camber plates you would buy.
K-Sport?
Yoshifab made/makes camber plates. He is on this forum and has a website.

http://yoshifab.com/store/index.php?_a= ... oductId=31

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:33 pm 
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So will the complete expo knuckles hubs and brakes bolt right on the 3g csm? Im just looking to loose the captive rotor setup.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:10 pm 
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So will the complete expo knuckles hubs and brakes bolt right on the 3g csm? Im just looking to loose the captive rotor setup.
Yeppers. You'll just need to slot your struts or get camber plates.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:44 pm 
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Awesome! There a couple expos in the junk yard I'll snag the entire setup.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:10 pm 
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Some questions:

1. Expo AWD vs FWD knuckles must be like DSM knuckles, with the FWD steering arm in a different location than the AWD. Anyone verified this? Are the DSM knuckles the same part number?
2. DSM struts used on the CSM, does it work? Too long? Too stiff? If it works, do you still need to slot the strut holes or do they align?
3. Anyone made any generic measurement of the angle of the struts on the CSM vs DSM? How about stealth/3000gt? (leads to-would 3si stuff work?)
4. If you don't slot the struts, the wheels will leaning in or out?
5. Is there a combination of (2g front and rear spring/spring hats) or (1g rear springs/spring hats) and strut plates with the CSM struts that would work? I don't like the idea of slotting struts.
6. So, will the seal identified earlier in the thread to allow use of the CSM axle with the expo knuckle, work on the DSM knuckle?

I'm tired of the captured rotors and the bearings in the CSM's don't seem to last long on the roads in my area. I'd like to go to the DSM setup due to the ease of rotor changes and the volume of DSM tires/rims.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:33 am 
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2. DSM struts used on the CSM, does it work? Too long? Too stiff? If it works, do you still need to slot the strut holes or do they align?

Yes, the front awd dsm struts work great with awd dsm lowering springs (gives a 2" drop depending on springs used, stock awd springs will gain about 2" height and look silly), fwd struts might be too long. You have to swap the csm upper strut plate onto the dsm strut, then it bolts up exactly the same.

4. If you don't slot the struts, the wheels will leaning in or out?

Slot them using what, awd dsm struts? Don't need to. Changing hubs on the other hand, VR4 hubs/knuckles will give you 3* of positive camber, not sure about expo stuff. It's safer/easier to do camber plates IMO.

5. Is there a combination of (2g front and rear spring/spring hats) or (1g rear springs/spring hats) and strut plates with the CSM struts that would work? I don't like the idea of slotting struts.

http://www.4g61t.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=26736

6. So, will the seal identified earlier in the thread to allow use of the CSM axle with the expo knuckle, work on the DSM knuckle?

There is a seal that can be used in dsm hubs/knuckles that will allow use of the turbo mirage axles, not sure which seal you're referencing though but it can be done, a lot of people like to swap over to 5 lug setups.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:54 am 
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So, some more reading on here leads to this:

Use dsm/vr4 knuckles (or expo) and elantra control arms: Does it eliminate the need for the camber plates??


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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:02 pm 
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I would think the longer elantra arms would make you need the camber plates even more. Or take the cheap route and slot the lower strut mounting holes and put on some thick washers, then weld them up after an alignment.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:44 pm 
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I would think the longer elantra arms would make you need the camber plates even more. Or take the cheap route and slot the lower strut mounting holes and put on some thick washers, then weld them up after an alignment.
Yea, I think you are right. I didn't think that through.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:48 pm 
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ok this thread cought my attention

here is my dilema

a friend gave me a pair of dual piston calipers from a DSM, i remove the calipers from my mirage 1988 and the dual piston caliper fit perfectly to the mirage knuckles, i know for sure have to change the captive brake rotor .

my question : do i still need VR4 knuckles to make this big brake to work and if so why?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:55 am 
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No. You need CSM wagon knuckles. They won't screw up your suspension geometry irrepairably, and the VR4 rotors you need will slip right on.

EDIT: Nevermind, I know nothing about the 88 model.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:29 pm 
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mirage 88 has no Caster adjustment, only camber

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:46 pm 
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Is there anything we can due with the back brakes? My piston kinda sticks so the car is sitting now. Is there a place they with rebuild the pistons for the back brake sor a place that sells them?


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So, some more reading on here leads to this:

Use dsm/vr4 knuckles (or expo) and elantra control arms: Does it eliminate the need for the camber plates??
You really don't want to use the DSM/VR4 knuckles - they do not orient the outer tire rod end correctly like the Expo knuckles will.

I can also attest to the fact that the Elantra control arms will not correct the camber, even with lowering springs. I have been driving on the lowered Expo/Elantra combination for about 1.5 years now and still haven't corrected the camber. The only reason my tires aren't completely screwed is because I mostly drive the car to work (7 miles one way) and take corners so hard that it helps keep the wear even.


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