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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:03 am 
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I was thinking.. I know scary thought. The guy that bought the starions got me thinkin rwd.

What if I had a 3/4 bolt rear end in the 3g, could I use the starion drivetrain to put the power to the rear?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:02 pm 
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I was thinking.. I know scary thought. The that bought the starions got me thinkin rwd.

What if I had a 3/4 bolt rear end in the 3g, could I use the starion drivetrain to put the power to the rear?
Nope.

First of all, the Starion stuff is laid out totally different, in a north/south configuration, like all other RWD vehicles. 3G CSM's are laid out in a FWD configuration, horizontally opposed. It would never happen. Secondly, the factory AWD DSM rear-ends are not intended to take 100% of the power, only 50% at most, so they will break rather quickly if you used it in a RWD application. The only way to logically do this would be to convert a 3G to AWD like many people have done already using DSM components, weld the center differential in the trans or use some kind of viscous coupling eliminator or spool, and remove the front axles. This would send all the power to the rear. You'd still break stuff, and probably crash the car, but it would be RWD. People do this with EVO's pretty commonly to go drifting with them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:03 pm 
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Alright I gotcha, I saw a 4g hatch on youtube that was rwd and it was pretty badass. What other rear axle could I use? Is the starion rear axle too long to fit under the 3g. What mitsubishis were rwd other than starions

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:50 pm 
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The thing is, if you were going to go through the trouble to RWD swap it, why keep a mitsubishi rearend? Its not like anything is going to bolt in and work. Sure some of the v6 mighty max / montero stuff would be strong, but easier to use the old ford 8.8 in my opinion.

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Alright I gotcha, I saw a 4g hatch on youtube that was rwd and it was pretty badass. What other rear axle could I use? Is the starion rear axle too long to fit under the 3g. What mitsubishis were rwd other than starions
It would be way too much work.

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http://www.billsautofab.com/recent_mit.asp

It's possible, all it would take is a bunch of cutting and welding. Probably going the 4g63/turbo350 route with my Toyota Starlet in the next year or so. Wouldn't be much different doing it to a colt other than having to fab up a rearend of some type that could handle the power.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:44 pm 
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With enough skill nearly anything can be accomplished. Please don't take this the wrong way but if you have to ask, it's probably not a good idea. Forget paying someone to tackle this swap, it'll nickel and dime you to death.

For the rear end though, just cut down any rear to the width that you need. Build a tunnel for the transmission and driveshaft and you're good. Sure, there's much more involved than that but that'll get you started.

It never hurts to think outside the box though.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:38 am 
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You could do a standard awd setup, do as tonus said, and use a mustang 8.8 rearend. Someone on here used one. That would be more than strong enough to take the abuse.

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http://www.billsautofab.com/recent_mit.asp

It's possible, all it would take is a bunch of cutting and welding. Probably going the 4g63/turbo350 route with my Toyota Starlet in the next year or so. Wouldn't be much different doing it to a colt other than having to fab up a rearend of some type that could handle the power.
Damn this is pretty tight and I also saw this

https://secure.buschurracing.com/catalo ... d9a4c8e7be
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With enough skill nearly anything can be accomplished. Please don't take this the wrong way but if you have to ask, it's probably not a good idea. Forget paying someone to tackle this swap, it'll nickel and dime you to death.

For the rear end though, just cut down any rear to the width that you need. Build a tunnel for the transmission and driveshaft and you're good. Sure, there's much more involved than that but that'll get you started.

It never hurts to think outside the box though.
I would never pay someone for a swap, Im in this for the knowledge and saving money. I just need to learn welding and cutting technique. How am I supposed to cut down a rear end; that's possible?

The original idea was the awd rear bc that has been done a million times but i understand its only ment for 50% of the power so what If I gave it basically 50%.
4g15-rwd trans-4-bolt rear.
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You could do a standard awd setup, do as tonus said, and use a mustang 8.8 rearend. Someone on here used one. That would be more than strong enough to take the abuse.
Just use the diff and pinion in the housing?

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I guess the correct term is to "shorten" the rear end but yes it can be done. People do it all of the time.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:14 am 
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I guess the correct term is to "shorten" the rear end but yes it can be done. People do it all of the time.
That shit is crazy :rock:

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Im in this for the knowledge and saving money.
You got into the car hobby to save money? :lol:

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You got into the car hobby to save money? :lol:
Well.. by doing the work myself I can save money on repairs and upgrades. The car in reality will never be worth what we put into it. I have always wanted nice cars, and to improve my cars. I just dont really care for stock. There is always improvement. Its all about being a lil different, I learned to drive a manual on this car and it was the last car my father and I bought. Then I found out about the gt and this site. So I am hooked on this car and want to build/rebuild it to last another 20 years. I think ill be looking good in the long run $$$ wise.

but with the rwd I was curious about peoples experience over the last 20 years if anyone attempted it. I am a dreamer sometimes :rolleyes: I want to also combine a 90 4 door taurus sho with a ford taurus wagon and make the wagon manual. I want alot of cars, lil evo says he has 9 and thats too much I want 50. I love cars, some cars, most cars.
another dream of mine is the 66 chevy corvair(v8 in backseat) : crown conversion w/350 or 305 or 289. Cutting welding is required. Too much rambling..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:18 pm 
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I've always wanted a RWD 4G63-powered vehicle too, I just wouldn't do it with the 3G chassis. I'd do it with a car that came with RWD from the factory, to retain my sanity, mostly. As we speak, a buddy of mine is building a Ford Pinto 2-dr Station Wagon that will be powered by a 4G63 out of a EVO 4, GM Powerglide transmission, and Ford 9" rear. It will be an all-out drag car. Did I mention the car is orange with fake wood paneling, and a brown interior? He's definitely keeping it that way.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:44 pm 
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Awesome! I understand what your saying, I would love to get a mighty max and beast it out. I like drag racing but like offroading it is very expensive and hard on components. Im more of an autocross and endurance race kind of guy. I like to go fast around corners :twisted:

I want to have a car for the drag strip one day and offroad but as I said expensive. I dont want kids or women/men just money, cars and knowledge

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