4g61t.org :: Replacement brake question.

After many hours of searching I'm at a fork in the road. Ok, if I'm not mistaken, the stock lug pattern on a 1991 Japan-made Dodge Colt non-turbo is 4x114.3. Is that correct?

Why does EVERYWHERE I ask for replacement rotors list the rotor bolt pattern at 4x104? Am I wrong or are they?

If it makes any bit of difference I own a Japan-made Colt, Don't know if there was a difference in lug patterns between the various types of CSMs. I've also had one hell of a time finding replacement brake pads. Most places I've gotten replacements from give me brake pads with the same general shape as my original pads, but are about a 1/4 inch too long to fit into my calipers. I've had to order a sets of Axxis Organic pads that are horrid at stopping me, along with terrible brake dust as they are the only pads I've found that fit. And I've gone to over a dozen auto parts store from the local autozone and advanced autos to mom and pop import part shops. Worst part is, the place I get the from list multiple brake pads that as supposed to all fit, but the Axxis brand is noticeably smaller in length than all the others.

If anyone can clear up any confusion here that'd be awesome, cause as of right now I'm carless because my gorgeous Colt can't stop. :/

Author:	jomorris2909 [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Replacement brake question.
After many hours of searching I'm at a fork in the road. Ok, if I'm not mistaken, the stock lug pattern on a 1991 Japan-made Dodge Colt non-turbo is 4x114.3. Is that correct? Why does EVERYWHERE I ask for replacement rotors list the rotor bolt pattern at 4x104? Am I wrong or are they? If it makes any bit of difference I own a Japan-made Colt, Don't know if there was a difference in lug patterns between the various types of CSMs. I've also had one hell of a time finding replacement brake pads. Most places I've gotten replacements from give me brake pads with the same general shape as my original pads, but are about a 1/4 inch too long to fit into my calipers. I've had to order a sets of Axxis Organic pads that are horrid at stopping me, along with terrible brake dust as they are the only pads I've found that fit. And I've gone to over a dozen auto parts store from the local autozone and advanced autos to mom and pop import part shops. Worst part is, the place I get the from list multiple brake pads that as supposed to all fit, but the Axxis brand is noticeably smaller in length than all the others. If anyone can clear up any confusion here that'd be awesome, cause as of right now I'm carless because my gorgeous Colt can't stop. :/

Author:	89Mirageman [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:16 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Replacement brake question.
4 x 114.3 is correct. 93+ csm's went to 4 x 100. Maybe they are giving you parts for the colt vista wagons? Personally I've never had any trouble getting parts for these cars.

Author:	bosco2023 [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:45 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Replacement brake question.
Quote: After many hours of searching I'm at a fork in the road. Ok, if I'm not mistaken, the stock lug pattern on a 1991 Japan-made Dodge Colt non-turbo is 4x114.3. Is that correct? Why does EVERYWHERE I ask for replacement rotors list the rotor bolt pattern at 4x104? Am I wrong or are they? If it makes any bit of difference I own a Japan-made Colt, Don't know if there was a difference in lug patterns between the various types of CSMs. I've also had one hell of a time finding replacement brake pads. Most places I've gotten replacements from give me brake pads with the same general shape as my original pads, but are about a 1/4 inch too long to fit into my calipers. I've had to order a sets of Axxis Organic pads that are horrid at stopping me, along with terrible brake dust as they are the only pads I've found that fit. And I've gone to over a dozen auto parts store from the local autozone and advanced autos to mom and pop import part shops. Worst part is, the place I get the from list multiple brake pads that as supposed to all fit, but the Axxis brand is noticeably smaller in length than all the others. If anyone can clear up any confusion here that'd be awesome, cause as of right now I'm carless because my gorgeous Colt can't stop. :/ I had the same problem for weeks and it was do to the 91's having a blend of parts from 89 90 91 and 92 colts. The perfect fit for my 91 summit front pads were a MKD535. That number is used by various manufacturers. My autozone and advance always said my car took the MKD299 which were short by a 1/4 of an inch or so.. It was trial and error for me with the pads. My pads are under a 92 colt and the bracket and caliper slider pins are under a 93 colt. I had one of the smaller diameter sliders seize and snap off so that how I found out.. Of the two slider pins per caliper, one has a smaller diameter and both have the threads just under the head versus and the end of the bolt near the end. I saw that the 1g dsm's use the same set up. Hope this helps. Get pads for the 92 colt which are the 535's.

Author:	jomorris2909 [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Replacement brake question.
Bosco, did you say the MKD299 were a little shorter than what you needed? Cause I need the shorter ones, not the longer ones. Btw guys, still no luck on rotors, years 89-91 colts all have the 4x104 bolt pattern. I honestly need new calipers too, but I don't even want to think about trying to find calipers that will work.

Author:	Coltsfan [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Replacement brake question.
The wheel studs don't go through the rotor, so maybe that's what's throwing you on the 104mm bolt patern. 104mm may be the diameter of the circle of bolts that hold the rotor to the hub. The wheel studs are 114.3, but they only pass through the hub, not the rotor.

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Author:	jomorris2909 [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Replacement brake question.
Ahhh, see. I've yet to change the rotors on this car, so I was under the impression the rotors went on the studs. Thanks you for clearing up my question.

Author:	Flying Eagle [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Replacement brake question.
Here is what the front hub situation looks like: http://www.4g61t.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24309

Author:	bosco2023 [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Replacement brake question.
If you need the shorter pads, go with the 299's.. Mine had some of the sedan stuff on there so it had the larger 535's.

Author:	jomorris2909 [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Replacement brake question.
Ok, since I've gotten a few responses here, I figure I'll go ahead and ask another question. I just bought a full set of GVR4 spindles and hubs. Now, if I'm not mistaken, I need to press the GVR4 hubs into 92-95 Hyundai Expo spindles so I can have the tie-rod end in correctly. Is that right? I'm assuming I'll need a bigger master cylinder as well, so can I fit in the GT Turbo master cylinder to fix that problem? And finally, should I locate GT Rear discs to replace my drums in the back, or do the same as the front and use the Expo/GVR4 combo and put GVR4 discs on? Especially since I already have the GVR4 rear hubs. I know I'll have to find a way to get the e-brake to work, and I'm pretty sure I can get an e-brake adapter from 89MirageMan to get it work. And I have searched extensively over the past couple days trying to figure this out and I'm pretty sure I've got it, I just need to make sure I'm not setting myself up for disaster.

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