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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:36 pm 
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Can we use starters from other Mitsubishi models? Can we still buy this new in the local dealership? Any remanufactured brands available? I've been seeing 2 types that show 2 diff KW's? Which one should I get ?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:06 pm 
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Here is a list of cars with compatible starters (All FWD of course):

DODGE COLT (1991 - 1994)
DODGE COLT 100 (1991 - 1992)
DODGE COLT 200 (1991 - 1992)
DODGE COLT GL (1991 - 1992)
EAGLE SUMMIT (1991 - 1996)
EAGLE TALON (1993 - 1994)
HYUNDAI ACCENT (1995 - 2001)
HYUNDAI EXCEL (1992 - 1994)
HYUNDAI SCOUPE (1992 - 1993)
MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE (1991 - 1994)
MITSUBISHI MIRAGE (1991 - 1992)
MITSUBISHI PRECIS (1992 - 1993)
PLYMOUTH COLT (1991 - 1992)
PLYMOUTH COLT 100 (1991 - 1992)
PLYMOUTH COLT 200 (1991 - 1992)
PLYMOUTH COLT GL (1991 - 1992)
PLYMOUTH LASER (1991 - 1994)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:03 pm 
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4g6X starters, FWD or AWD, the only difference was how the starter was clocked due to the starter plate orientation differences FWD to AWD bellhousings.
Essentially any 89-94 4g6x motor really.

I see 4g15's listed above and likely the fitment is identical too, I've just never had them side by side. The Colt starters are not gear reduction style and you would have to research the KW from the FSM.

Some Galants E33/38 match up also to the Turbo model 1.2Kw starter.

Some starters had more KW's, but it doesn't really matter. Find the highest Kw model from the cross reference, check a picture online to compare it to what you have, and voila!

Unless explicitly stated it would work, be doubtful of 95+ starters, the electronics changed mid year 94.5+ but the starter may be the same if nothing else changed on the motor/bellhousings, starter plate following the split point.

I found alot of cross reference with starters in ASA but it's the KW difference that makes for only half the models I expected, to match up. 4g15's did not match up with the C53a starter, but it is likely a lot of our swap guys are using their original Mitsu 4g15 starters to wind up their 4g63's.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:47 pm 
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I have had issues mixing and matching awd/fwd starters. Awd flywheel is smaller by 4 teeth and the tip of the awd starter is shorter than the fwd starter.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:51 pm 
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Hmmm, prettys sure Tonus told us about starters being identical in usage ... it's a long while a go type memory.

I have a an AWD starter here, that I was going to use in my FWD applicatiom KM210 and FWD DSM flywheel setup. My FWD starter may be going bad.

I know the starter plate was the only main difference between the two, and sometimes why people had issues with engagement, but I did not know about any nose and gear engagement depth issues.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:00 pm 
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Quote:
DSM tuners reputable member posting this information:

Model for model along with corresponding model years, the starters are the same. All 1G AWD cars use the same starter as the 1G FWD turbo cars with a manual transmission.
Starter part #'s per another guy from the web. Automatic starters apparently have a deeper plunge depth/engagement to hit the flexplate properly?? <- not confirmed but plausible if they are spaced differently because of their position on the torque converter, so very likely this is the case.

thomcasey, I wonder which starter you had whereby the noses were different depths?

Starter #'s md172860 and md172861 are all 1.2KW gear reduction type starters.

Checked ASA tonight, this is the Colt/Mirage 4g61t starter part #

89 FWD C53A KM210 5 spd starter = 172860

Colt/Mirage/Summit 4G15 - 3,4, and 5 speeds transmission/transaxles:

1989-92 C52 4g15 cars got 0.7-0.9 kW direct drive starters, not Gear Reduction 1.2 kW models like the 4G6X motors.

If someone was to measure the gap between the starter plate edge (with the bellhousing in place), to the far edge of the flywheel teeth, then you start to get an idea of how far the gear has to "plunge" in the nose of the starter. If your starter does not have sufficient plunge depth, try one that is supposed to for the application at hand; ie the transmission and matched flywheel you are using. Presumably you are matching a FWD flywheel and FWD bellhousing, to a FWD starter. Or you are using AWD parts in their entirety, to make things jive.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:32 pm 
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I have used the same starter on my sedan with 3 different transmissions and the same 6 bolt engine. AWD switchable, FWD KM210, AWD W5M33. The only things I changed where the flywheels, AWD vs FWD, and the starter plates. I believe the 4g15 starter was different, IIRC.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:50 pm 
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That is what I was hoping to hear!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:06 pm 
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I searched the web using my starter number for the 91 AWD that I have as a substitute if my 89 FWD does not check out.

Here is what I got on a part search. Website was http://www.sanmul.com/421-m1t70481.html

M1T70481
Quote:
SANMUL AUTO PRODUCT:
STR71063 Starter, 12v, 1.2kW, 8t
Voltage 12
Kilowatt 1.4
Note 1 8 Teeth
Note 2 Hyundai
Note 3 Mitsubishi
Note 4 -
Note 5 -
Note 6 -
Availability Immediate CROSS REFERENCE:
OEM REFERENCE
HYUNDAI 3610032510
HYUNDAI 3610032630
LUCAS LRS00884
LUCAS LRS884
MANDO MG112014
MANDO MP112040
MITSUBISHI M000T70481
MITSUBISHI M001T70481
MITSUBISHI M001T70482
MITSUBISHI M001T70483
MITSUBISHI M0T70481
MITSUBISHI M1T70481
MITSUBISHI M1T70482
MITSUBISHI M1T70483
MITSUBISHI MD099667
MITSUBISHI MD162839
MITSUBISHI MD172860
MITSUBISHI MD174483
VEHICLE APPLICATION:
Man Model From To
HYUNDAI Elantra 1.6 08/1991 12/1995
HYUNDAI Elantra 1.6 12/1990 10/1991
HYUNDAI Elantra 1.8 12/1990 12/1995
HYUNDAI Elantra 1.8 12/1990 09/1991
HYUNDAI Santamo 2.0 03/1996 -
HYUNDAI Sonata 1.8 07/1993 01/1996
HYUNDAI Sonata 2.0 07/1993 01/1998
HYUNDAI Sonata 2.0 01/1988 01/1993
HYUNDAI Sonata 2.0 01/1986 01/1988
HYUNDAI Sonata 2.4i 01/1988 01/1996
HYUNDAI COMMERCIAL H-1 2.4 10/1997 -
HYUNDAI COMMERCIAL H100 2.4 b 07/1993 01/1997
MAZDA COMMERCIAL B2600 4X4 01/1985 11/1989
MITSUBISHI Colt 1.6 GTi 16V 12/1989 05/1990
MITSUBISHI Colt 1.8 GTi 16V 12/1989 08/1992
MITSUBISHI Eclipse 2.0 04/1991 01/1994
MITSUBISHI Eclipse 2.0 Turbo 08/1995 01/1999
MITSUBISHI Galant 2.0 06/1986 01/1988
MITSUBISHI Galant 2.0,4WD 11/1992 01/1997
MITSUBISHI Galant 2.0i, GTi 16V, 4WD, 4WS 12/1987 01/1993
MITSUBISHI Galant 2.0i, GTi 16V,4WD,4WS 12/1987 05/1990
MITSUBISHI Galant 2.4i 06/1986 01/1987
MITSUBISHI Lancer 1.8 GTi 16V 12/1989 01/1992
MITSUBISHI Sapporo 2.4i 06/1987 01/1989
MITSUBISHI Space Gear 2.0i 12/1994 -
MITSUBISHI Space Gear 2.4 12/1994 -
MITSUBISHI Space Wagon 2.0i 06/1987 01/1991
MITSUBISHI Space Wagon 2.0i 06/1986 01/1991
MITSUBISHI Space Wagon 2.4 06/1992 01/1998
MITSUBISHI Starion 2.6i 12/1989 -
MITSUBISHI COMMERCIAL L200 2.0 11/1986 05/1994
MITSUBISHI COMMERCIAL L200 2.4 06/1994 07/1997
MITSUBISHI COMMERCIAL L200 2.6 b 11/1989 05/1995
MITSUBISHI COMMERCIAL L300 2.0 2WD b 01/1995 -
MITSUBISHI COMMERCIAL L300 2.0 4X4 b 11/1986 01/1992
MITSUBISHI COMMERCIAL L300 2.0 b 11/1986 01/2000
MITSUBISHI COMMERCIAL L300 2.4,4X4 b 01/1990 05/1996
MITSUBISHI COMMERCIAL Pajero 2.6 b 05/1986 -


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:16 pm 
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89 FWD C53A KM210 5 spd starter = MD172860

91 AWD D(whatever turbo DSM code goes here) W5M33 = MD172860

All these parts codes appear interchangeable via the listing above:

MITSUBISHI MD099667
MITSUBISHI MD162839
MITSUBISHI MD172860
MITSUBISHI MD174483

MD099667 (Original Part Number) = MD172860 (Superceded) = 1989 C53A 4g61T (Per ASA)


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:45 am 
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whats the different between reduction starters compared to direct drive? are the latter better option? been hearing about this reduction starter.
yes I been seeing those 2 kinds of voltage avail. can the 4g15 use the 4g6x starters that has those 1.2KW


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:09 pm 
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Gear reduction provides more torque for the same electrical output as a direct drive unit.
It looks a little like transmission internals where that too is speed down , torque up situation.

The starters have the same speed when cranking the motor but a 4g6x rotating assembly takes more torque to spin an get up to appropriate speed to make the starting/operating threshold.

Unless the 4g15 starter has the same clocking of the nose, same depth of engagement for the gear to meet the flywheel/flex plate, then a 4g6x starter would not work as an upgrade.

If for some reason a hybrid of the two could be made (just for the fun of it) it would be funny to see a 4g15 nose comes and some guys mates to a 4g6x set of guts. Better off getting a direct replacement.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:46 pm 
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More company names with part numbers that interchange:

Bosch SR298N, SR298X, 0-986-016-001
Denso 280-4104
Lucas LRS00884, S9512
Mitsubishi M1T70483, MD172860
Real 20-5194, 20437012
Remy 16869, 99404, 99404, DRS3139
Valeo TM000A04001, 438118, 458279, 458546, VS365


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:13 pm 
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Ebay advert:
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Specifications:
Unit Type Starter
Voltage 12
Rotation CW
Teeth 8
KW 1.2
Starter Type PMGR
Brief CHRYSLER HYUNDAI MITSUBISHI 1987-95
Item Condition New

Replaces these part numbers:
AC DELCO 323-1039
ARROWHEAD SMN0001
ARROWHEAD (OEM) M1T70483, V438118
CARGO 110811
HYUNDAI 36100-32510, 36100-32520, 36100-32530, 36100-32600, 36100-32630
J & N 410-48103
LESTER 16939
LESTER (OLD) 17289, 17501, 17504
MANDO MP112040
MITSUBISHI M1T70481, M1T70482, M1T70483
MITSUBISHI MOTORS MD099667, MD162839, MD172860
REMY REMAN SR105939
VALEO TM000A04001
VALEO NEW 438118
WAI 2-1174-MD, 2-1174-MI
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DODGE Auto and Light Truck 2000GTX 1989 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck 2000GTX 1990 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1987 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1988 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1989 1.6L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1989 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1990 1.6L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1990 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1991 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1992 2.4L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1993 2.4L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck COLT 1994 2.4L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAIDER 1987 2.6L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAIDER 1988 2.6L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAIDER 1989 2.6L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1987 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1987 2.6L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1988 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1988 2.6L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1989 2.0L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1989 2.6L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1990 2.4L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1991 2.4L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1992 2.4L
DODGE Auto and Light Truck RAM-50 PICKUP 1993 2.4L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck 2000 GTX 1991 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck 2000 GTX 1992 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck 2000 GTX 1993 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck SUMMIT 1989 1.6L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck SUMMIT 1990 1.6L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck SUMMIT 1992 2.4L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck SUMMIT 1993 2.4L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck SUMMIT 1994 2.4L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck SUMMIT 1995 2.4L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck SUMMIT 1996 2.4L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1990 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1991 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1992 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1993 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1994 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1995 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1996 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1997 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck TALON 1998 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck VISTA 1989 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck VISTA 1990 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck VISTA 1991 2.0L
EAGLE Auto and Light Truck VISTA 1992 2.0L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck ELANTRA 1992 1.6L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck ELANTRA 1993 1.6L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck ELANTRA 1993 1.8L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck ELANTRA 1994 1.6L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck ELANTRA 1994 1.8L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck ELANTRA 1995 1.6L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck ELANTRA 1995 1.8L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1989 2.4L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1990 2.4L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1991 2.4L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1992 2.0L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1993 2.0L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1994 2.0L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1995 2.0L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1996 2.0L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1997 2.0L
HYUNDAI Auto and Light Truck SONATA 1998 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck CORDIA 1986 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck CORDIA 1987 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck CORDIA 1988 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1990 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1991 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1992 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1993 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1994 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1995 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1996 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1996 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1997 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1997 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1998 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck ECLIPSE 1999 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck EXPO 1992 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck EXPO 1993 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck EXPO 1994 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck EXPO 1995 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck EXPO 1996 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1987 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1989 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1990 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1991 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1992 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1993 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1994 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1995 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1996 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1997 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck GALANT 1998 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MIRAGE 1989 1.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MIRAGE 1990 1.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MIRAGE 1991 1.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MIRAGE 1992 1.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MONTERO 1986 2.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MONTERO 1987 2.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MONTERO 1988 2.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MONTERO 1989 2.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck MONTERO SPORT 1997 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1987 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1987 2.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1988 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1988 2.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1989 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1989 2.6L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1990 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1991 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1992 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1993 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1994 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1995 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck PICKUP 1996 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck TREDIA 1986 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck TREDIA 1987 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck TREDIA 1988 2.0L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck VAN 1987 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck VAN 1988 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck VAN 1989 2.4L
MITSUBISHI Auto and Light Truck VAN 1990 2.4L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1987 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1988 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1989 1.6L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1989 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1990 1.6L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1990 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1991 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1992 2.4L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1993 2.4L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck COLT 1994 2.4L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck LASER 1990 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck LASER 1991 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck LASER 1992 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck LASER 1993 2.0L
PLYMOUTH Auto and Light Truck LASER 1994 2.0L


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