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| Author: | mikbik [ Mon May 30, 2016 7:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | 184mm or 200mm clutch |
anyone knows if I can use the 200mm on a 184mm clutch. its on a KM200 transmission 5-speed manual. |
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| Author: | Flying Eagle [ Mon May 30, 2016 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
Ninja edit - I posted thinking this was 4g6X info, see below. |
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| Author: | mikbik [ Mon May 30, 2016 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
but both are for the 1.5 NA engine? and only half an inch different. Anyone has compared this or seen one. |
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| Author: | Flying Eagle [ Mon May 30, 2016 6:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
Woops, I am thinking if you were using the swap parts to suit the KM210 or F5M3X transmissions. Likely all the smaller clutches and flywheels will have crossover on the 4g15 side (5 bolt crank)and smaller bellhousings. Just have to be careful of release bearing/Fork setups. If you had the parts side by side, and were allowed to return them to the store if they did not fit properly, the you could confirm it for everyone. |
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| Author: | Flying Eagle [ Mon May 30, 2016 6:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
IF the flywheel design allows it, and the clutch plates setup will bolt up/align with the dowels, AND the TOB style works, then it should work in theory. |
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| Author: | j2dapo [ Tue May 31, 2016 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
I'd say no. the 5 bolt 4g15 pressure plate / fltwheel will only take the smaller disk. |
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| Author: | mikbik [ Tue May 31, 2016 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
so what tranny uses those 200mm clutch? is the Km210? |
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| Author: | j2dapo [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
yes the km210 and km225. or the f5m31 and the f5m33 |
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| Author: | mikbik [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
would I be able to use those 200mm clutch by switching bellhousing of km200 to km210. |
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| Author: | thomcasey [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
I don't believe the bell-housing is removable. For the FWD transmissions it is a full case |
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| Author: | mikbik [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
what would be the difference between the two since both are 1.5L Non turbo w/ 5 speed manual. |
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| Author: | Flying Eagle [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
Here's the clutch friction plate for the 1.5L 1991 Colt, fits nearly everything from the 1970's to the mid 1990's. https://shop.exedyusa.com/exedy-oem/exe ... 94128.aspx Why the need for a larger diameter friction plate? Yes, it may give you more options for material changes to increase power holding, but those transmissions won't last behind the torque input you might be inquiring about going to. |
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| Author: | mikbik [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
I was just thinking that a larger plate will improve shifting and will hold better and have more grip since it has more face(disc) coverage. maybe im wrong. |
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| Author: | Flying Eagle [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
Shifting speeds will likely only be affected by a lighter weight flywheel (of which the 4g61t design could be, 4g15 maybe ever so slightly). Full face OEM style organic clutch plates/wave springs/engagement springs, all things considered, nothing would be changing there. Same clutch "feel" and engagement characteristics. If you went with a higher torque capacity pressure plate, then you would be taxing the stock hydraulic system just like everyone else does with ACT HD/2100+ setups. Anything less than braided steel lines, perfect geometry and OEM hydraulics will yield less than stellar results in that case. Such has been my experience. There technically isn't any need to change anything unless you have a very specific driving style (or for some, proper lack there of) and a reputable clutch shop and or manufacturer can recommend a hand picked/created upgrade for you. What kind of driving does the car see and what motor combination does it have? The clutch plate you have in stock form, is supposed to hold behind 1.8 and 2.0L motors per EXEDY's page. That is a fair bit more torque and weight than your car has. That would set you back 250-$500+ US with all components factored in. |
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| Author: | mikbik [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 184mm or 200mm clutch |
ok thanks Tim for clearing that up |
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